runs on water ?

[spacecadet]

SO Gas is too expensive? Well somebody emailed me a link for a great idea. Make your car run on water.

<hr><img src="images/forum/ebaylink.gif"> I saw this on eBay motors: make your car run on water. Ebay item:150217851750 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150217851750)<hr>



Well think what you want. I got a Laugh out of it. Maybe you will too!!!



And they call ME lost in Space !!!



Space!!! http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif



SO.... Do you think it could work????? http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

[greenmachine_1]

Yeah it could work... but not from water... the amount of hydrogen needed to run a vehicle is similar to gasoline. It would take a large concentration besides for the fact that the chemical reaction would take to long. On a large enough scale maybe it would work.

[Scotty_S-15]

We might all be surprised by how many people really believe that an energy solution is just that simple, but being kept secret from us by the big bad "corporations". http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

............. But for those of us without faulty logic..... we all know that it's all pipe dreams.

............. And sure, you could get your car to run on water, just as long as you could tow around a small factory to draw the hydrogen out of the water. And BTW, the factory would probably need the equivalent of 5 gallons of gasoline to produce enough hydrogen to move your car for 10 miles. http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[355V8S10Tahoe]

Well I have been studying this topic and have found many very interesting articles on the web about running an internal combustion engine on water with the generation of hydrogen and oxygen from water through electrolysis, I also ran across an article or two about generating hydrogen from pure zinc and a concentrated solar heat furnace chamber atop a tower with a computerized aiming solar mirror array below... http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

Anyway I found something else from 2001 that I thought you all might want to read, I'm going to warn you though that this article has some crude language in it and it should only be copied and pasted into another browser to view it, but it even has plans and drawings on how to build a water drinking hydrogen burning car...



http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/water.html



It may all just be Bull, but maybe not? This all just blows my mind http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif I just don't think I want water in my internal combustion engine or condensing in my exhaust system, maybe if the whole engine is made of stainless steel I might go for it but the cylinders would have to have a very good seal with the pistons and rings to keep that water generated by the burning of hydrogen out of my oil... http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

[Scotty_S-15]

On 2008-02-24 03:12, 355V8S10Tahoe wrote:

.......................................... I just don't think I want water in my internal combustion engine or condensing in my exhaust system, ............................



Um, I'd say lets worry about getting a car to run on water first, then worry about the effects of that on the engine. http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

............ But yes, cars can and do run on hydrogen, but the thing is, the cost and energy involved to produce the hydrogen. Sure, with advances in technology it may be feasible at some time in the future, just not tomorrow.

[Scotty_S-15]

And furthermore,

(SpaceCadet, look what you started.... http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif )

If cheap nuclear generated electric power was available everywhere, either we wouldn't need hydrogen cars, or, it might be feasible to generate hydrogen for cars.

............. Just don't build that nuke plant by my house...... http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

[greenmachine_1]

On 2008-02-24 12:09, Scotty_S-15 wrote:

And furthermore,

(SpaceCadet, look what you started.... http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif )

If cheap nuclear generated electric power was available everywhere, either we wouldn't need hydrogen cars, or, it might be feasible to generate hydrogen for cars.

............. Just don't build that nuke plant by my house...... http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif





If people would let a new nuclear power plant be built. Some would probably be amazed at how efficient and environmentally friendly the energy is. Besides what looks worse a plant that's releasing water into the air or a plant that has black smoke produced from multiple smoke stacks. With the regulations that were put into effect after 3-mile-island and Chernobyl, I feel that nuclear power is exactly the direction that electrical energy should be generated... But that's just my point of view from an engineering stand point.

[Scotty_S-15]

Here's a quote from a thread almost a year ago..... It's my master plan. If I were the KING, this is what we'd do:







On 2007-03-19 13:16, Scotty_S-15 wrote:Yeah, we need more nuke plants. Just not in anyone's backyard. Nobody wants them around. Sooooooooooooooooooo

(I've said this here before)

The Feds have to BUY Utah. Move Salt Lake City to Nevada. http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif (that's the only thing in Utah, right?) http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif And build a bunch of nuke plants in Utah. Then, wire the whole country from there.

................ Like that'll happen.

Chances are the answer is a combination of all that's been mentioned. Some ethanol, more solar, more windmills, and a little hydrogen, etc.

[riotpolice75]

Ive actually seen this setup personally. Some guy not too far from here converted a 95 dodge caravan to run off of water. It actually works. The car starts and drives. Problem is he hasnt figured out a way to make enough hydrogen fast enough to let the engine run at any kind of high RPM. Itll do 2000 RPM but after that it starves for fuel.



I really do think this is a fesiable idea. You just have to find a way to produce the amount of hydrogen needed to run an engine fast enough to actually run the engine. And you need to figure out how to do it and actually make more power than you put into the reaction of stripping the water molecule. Another thing to deal with is having to heat the gas tank. Water tends to freeze at 32º



You're probably alot better off cracking molecules of propane (C3H8) or some other fossil fuel for the hydrogen than you would be cracking water. Just for the simple fact that youll get more hydrogen out of it. That just leaves the problem of the C3 to deal with after the fact.



I may have posted this before. I dont remember. Regardless, Here it is. http://auto.xprize.org/







smith

[spacecadet]

Me and my BIG mouth!!!! http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif



Well theres definitley some debate over the subject. Checking into it a little more, Yea, I agree, I do think it could work. But it just sounds SOOOO left field. But then again that is thinking outside of the box.



Riotpolice, if your buddy put a diesal tranny in it, I wonder if it would work better? Diesl redlines a 4000 rpm.

Just thinking outside the earth.



Altought I don't really want a nuke plant in my back yard, I do belive there is one close. Indian Point I believe is less than 50 miles from me. I think thier saftey has been more and more reliable. But what do I know, I fix cars.



THink this was a worthwhile topic though.

SpaceD out!



Space.

[bstef]

Kudos for nuclear power. Of course the Downside is how to dospose of the nuclear waste. I guess they have a mountain in Utah Or somewhere out west where they are building a waste dump inside the mountain. Oh well. Got to do something. Bernie Steffen http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

[spacecadet]

On 2008-02-24 19:08, bstef wrote:

Kudos for nuclear power. Of course the Downside is how to dospose of the nuclear waste. I guess they have a mountain in Utah Or somewhere out west where they are building a waste dump inside the mountain. Oh well. Got to do something. Bernie Steffen http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif





I wonder if their dumping that stuff in the Catskill mountian holes?



If there trucking it out west, isn't that hazerdous to all the other road travelers between where it orignated and its destionation?



Still, lost in Space.

http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

[Scotty_S-15]

On 2008-02-24 19:33, spacecadet wrote:

I wonder if their dumping that stuff in the Catskill mountian holes?

If there trucking it out west, isn't that hazerdous to all the other road travelers between where it orignated and its destionation?

Still, lost in Space.

http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif



regarding nuclear waste...... just remember, what happens in Utah, stays in Utah. http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif http://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[stonebreaker]

It's impossible for that hydrogen idea to work. It violates the principle of conservation of energy. This scam is a new twist on the perpetual motion machine.

[Reznik]

Has anyone looked into using the hydrogen from water electrolysis to boost your miles per gallon of gasoline. I read somewhere about setting up a system to inject hydrogen into your intake or carb somwhere to get more MPG. Just wondered if anyone else has seen (or tried) this. We need to do something at 4 and 5 dollars a gallon.

[stroker1]

Has anyone looked into using the hydrogen from water electrolysis to boost your miles per gallon of gasoline. I read somewhere about setting up a system to inject hydrogen into your intake or carb somwhere to get more MPG. Just wondered if anyone else has seen (or tried) this. We need to do something at 4 and 5 dollars a gallon.

Yep, I've seen this. And I almost believe it will work. But who the hell want's to be a guinea pig? If one a yous guys tries it and swears by it, I still aint gonna try it until I talk one of my friends into it first. But really, it's much more probable than totaly powering an engine from tap water.

Hey, who knows? Who would ever of thought we'd be putting robots on mars in our lifetime? Or for that matter, lat top computers ? Remember the Tandy 2000? How about the old adding machines before calculators? Ya never know what might happen in the near future, besides it getting hot as hell and the economy completely going to shit!! Everyone is expecting that.

[rusty_cage520]

http://www.youtube.com/v/YFGhZNxdyDY&hl=en

http://youtube.com/watch?v=R3-HMRYQQz8

http://www.thewatercar.blogspot.com/ <---just a guy with a chevy investigating which "water4gas" kit works the best!

[Jimmybeam]

There was something else I saw on running a car on water a year or two ago, they call it HHO. I won't try and explain it, but if anyone has a few mins to kill, you can check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6YYUOx6fBU and part two here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZq0EZmSwv8&feature=related . If the guy isn't full of crap, that could change the world, but from what I understood of his idea, he can't get a patent for it so he is keeping the process a big secret.

As far as the talk on nuclear power, I'd be very happy to see nuclear energy more widely used. It's a very clean, efficient, and plentiful power source. Of course you always have to worry about accidents, but look at the people dying every day and the environmental damage being caused by our pursuit of the all powerful black liquid gold. My only problem with nuclear power is the USA's solution to just dump the waste into a mountain and hope it lays undisturbed for 10,000 years. It's a shame that countries like FRANCE can figure out how to safely recycle 100% of their waste while we just sweep it under the carpet like all the other garbage.

[vanblazer]

go to utube and type in the letters hho. you will see plenty of people with hydrogen gen. it produces small amounts of hydrogen, and oxygen, which is run into the air induction system to increase fuel mileage. not replace it. i have one on mine, but haven't been able to fully test yet.

[Scotty_S-15]

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My only problem with nuclear power is the USA's solution to just dump the waste into a mountain and hope it lays undisturbed for 10,000 years. It's a shame that countries like FRANCE can figure out how to safely recycle 100% of their waste while we just sweep it under the carpet like all the other garbage.
I know I'm a couple months late replying....
Jimmy, France is arguably LESS responsible than the US when it comes to nuclear waste. They send it to Russia, who then does who-knows-what with it. Here's a quote from a link:

"You see, France sends thousands of tons of nuclear waste to Russia each year. And though we know some details of the arrangement, much is still kept from public view."