Brovada AWD s-10 pickup???

[Fathead]

I dont wanna get really into this, so ill make it short. Could i get a 4x4 s-10 and swap in a Brovada front suspension, front differential, transfer case, and tranny( i believe its the 4l60E) and make an s-10 awd, because i want a truck thats awd. Let me know what ya think.

[Knanthrup]

i suppose... but i think it would be easier to just use the bravada frame. i think some of the mounts are different...

[ZZ4Blazer]

Frames different between a truck and a blazer.



And yes, you can swap all the AWD stuff from a Bravada/Sy/Ty, into a 4wd, making it AWD.

[Bustinwood]

i dont think i would use that tranny

[evil_admin]

You cant just swap it. The frame rails are different as are the crossmembers. The 2x4 s-series use springs in the front and the 4x4 use torsion bars. The control arms are different and so are the wheel bearings.



It would be far simpler to swap frames then to convert. The 4l60-E is basically an electronic 700R4. It should hold up pretty well unless your going to be very abusive to it. In that case, you may want to consider a turbo350 but your milage will suck.

[Fathead]

I guess i should have gotten a little more into the details. I was thinking of taking an extended cab short box 4x4 frame, then going to a U-Pull-It or someplace that has a brovada. I would then get the tranny, transfer case, torsion bar crossmember, front differential, front drive shaft, upper and lower control arms(if different from a 4x4) and anything else little i believe i would need. I think this will work because a brovada is just a 4x4 blazer with an awd transfer case, awd differential, and i believe a different front drive shaft. Well, thats what i wanna do, because it would be great to get all this power to the groundhttp://www.s10v8.com/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif Let me know what ya think now...

[ZZ4Blazer]

On 2003-10-23 06:58, ZZ4Blazer wrote:



And yes, you can swap ALL the AWD stuff from a Bravada/Sy/Ty, into a 4wd, making it AWD.

[fasrnur]

Front driveshaft,diff,and transfer case is what you need. the transfer case from an Astro or Safari will also work.



Jeff.....

[evil_admin]

The case is a borg warner BW4472. The front shaft on the sy/ty, bravada and astro are CV, not U style with spline.



If you go AWD, you will loose the 4LO gear. The AWD case does not have a planetary drive, instead it has the viscious clutch in its place.

[Fathead]

well, it looks like i need to start getting all the parts. Anyone know where i can get a 4x4 s-10 ex cab short box frame??? Also, the reason i wanna do this is one, you dont see it, two, the truck is now Mine in My name so i can do it, three, traction just sucks anyway, and four, ill be driving it in wyoming in the winter, not this winter(ill have the blazer) but next winter, so i think that would be soo sweet to have an awd v8 S10.

[tloof]

I have a complete 72K mile \'94 Bravada AWD conversion for sell that includes everything you need (front diff with 3.73 gears, rear diff with 3.73 gears, Borg Warner 4472 t-case with hard to find 700R4 transmission adapter, & front propshaft with mounting bolts). Send me an e-mail @ travis.loofbourrow@airliquide.com if you are interested.

[vincevincevince]

whats the diffrence between 4 wheel drive and all wheel drive/????

[evil_admin]

They sound the same. They both are all wheel drive and 4 wheel drive. The difference is the front diff and rear diff can turn at different speeds due to a special clutch similar to the fan clutch. This prevents the drive train from binding up when turning.



On a 4WD system, both front and rear shafts turn the same due to the chain in the xfer case. This system cannot be used full time because there is no \"play\" or \"give\" in it. This setup can generally handle more power. In this setup, the s-series use a U style joint for the rear shaft.



On a AWD system, all 4 wheels can turn at different speeds thus turning on a dry surface is possible and you dont get massive tirewear. In this setup, the s-series use a CV prop shaft for the front.



For off roading, part time 4WD is very useful and you get the added advantage of a low granny gear. In most if not all AWD systems, you do not get this. In offroad, you generally want all wheels locked together.



AWD is great for bad weather like 4WD but you get the added advantage or brake torque re-routing. If you are 2WD, slam on the breaks and one wheel hits a slick spot, its gonna lock. In AWD, torque from another wheel will go through the shafts, possibly through the xfer case and keep that wheel turning. Also, you have the ability to hook up about 35% more power when racing.



About the biggest draw back to AWD is maintenance. The xfer case chain must not stretch or you WILL feel the clunk in the drive lines. Also, all 4 tires must be the exact same size, brand and age. If not, bad things happen. The \"give\" that the AWD system has is enough for turning but not nearly enough for miss-matched tires.

[evil_admin]

Also, in ice and snow, part time 4WD is better IMO. Never lost control yet in the ice and once pulled a bravada with smart-trac (AWD) out of a ditch after hitting ice. Prolly diddnt know how to drive though.



Oh, if you take your s-series in heavy snow and sluch, after driving, cycle all your shifters and dont use the e-break. Slush has a habit of getting up on top of the transmission (manual) and xfer case and re-freezing preventing you from moving the car for a few days.

[Fathead]

well, people seem to be pretty knowledgeable about this, so my next question is... what do you guys think of it??? what do you think of the idea of an awd s-10 v8?? Also, how much could i lower the front if i have the torsion bar suspension, might be kinda tuff. Let me know what you guys think.

[evil_admin]

I think the torsion bar has a bolt on its tension arm that you can adjust. The AWD s10 has most likely already been done but prolly drives really well. If you follow the bravada/sy/ty part numbers, it will work fine. Personally, I would keep the part time 4WD so you can keep the granny gear. Its really nice to have when you need to remove a stump.



If you swap diffs, make sure you get the same ratio or the truck will try to rip itself apart.

[Fathead]

well, i dont want the 4wd, because, im putting it on my truck i have now, cause i wont be pulling stumps out, in a lowered s-10, lol... but ya never nkow, i did pull a jeep outta a ditch with it, lol.

[miah]

put about 500hp in an awd and talk about a neck snapping takeoff! I think it would be very badass

[evil_admin]

gonna need some serious CV joints in the front to take that kind of torque.